Learn more about Interpreter debates

Debate: Ross Babbage and Australia's strategic edge

The Canberra column

Rip off a Chinese arm

by Graeme Dobell - 7 February 2011 4:33PM

Before serving on the government's advisory panel for the 2009 Defence White Paper, Ross Babbage opined that Australia needed the military strength to 'rip an arm off any major Asian power that sought to attack Australia'. Now the founder of the Kokoda Foundation has ripped aside the thin veil offered by that phrase 'any major Asian power' and produced his view of how Australia needs to think about gnawing on China's limbs.

Launching his report 'Australia's Strategic Edge in 2030' in Canberra, Babbage described the work as a response to the rapid growth in the scale, purpose and intent of the People's Liberation Army and the dilemmas this poses Australia. He says China is 'the most serious security challenge we have faced since World War 2...I don't use the word "threat", I use the word "challenge". I don't think it's a threat yet.'

Rapidly expanding Chinese capabilities mean that:

  • Assured access to space and to the air, surface and sub-surface operating areas in much of the Western Pacific is now under question.
  • China's new theatre strike capabilities threaten key US bases and forces in the Western Pacific.
  • Many of Australia's close allies and friends, from South Korea and Japan in the north to Indonesia and Papua New Guinea in the south, are in danger of falling into China's sphere of influence.
  • China's growing missile, air and naval forces will extend their reach to play a much stronger role in Australia's 'immediate surrounds' during the next 20 years.

The paper draws on four closed workshops with 'senior leaders in the Australian national security community' and a parallel research project by the US Naval War College. When Babbage had finished distilling his own stark conclusions, he went back to Canberra with a question: 'Do we really want to say all this?'

read more

Ross Babbage's valuable provocation

by Jim Molan - 8 February 2011 1:48PM

Major Gen (Retd) Jim Molan is author of Running the War in Iraq.

Ross Babbage's views on Australia's future military needs, and Graeme Dobell's reply, have provoked me. Babbage's view is legitimate and I congratulate him for putting it forward. If we are to admire Hugh White for leading the debate on China and security in Australia (and I do), then let's give Ross a good hearing for giving military substance to what Hugh said or implied.

The prevention of conflict has always been about deterrence. Managing the legitimate rise of China is best conducted from a position of strength. That was what underpinned the last Defence White Paper. I support most of the ideas of the White Paper despite its illogical bits and its lack of funding. I also support (with a few reservations) the materiel plan that comes from it, despite the fact that I can see even more money being ripped out of it to fund this or that, in the spirit of every Defence White Paper we have ever had.

The question remains: are we going to manage China's emergence as a great power from a position of strength, or are we going to hope that China is nice to us, our allies and our neighbours?

There has been a long tradition of minimalism in Australian strategic thought which is linked to the concept of 'do as little as you can, keep the US engaged while talking tough (particularly in private meetings), and fight to the last drop of US blood'. I wonder if the US experience of the failure of its allies to support it fairly in Iraq or Afghanistan will bring forth a modern version of the 1969 Guam Doctrine? As Graeme Dobell described the doctrine last year: 'We're getting out of Vietnam. Good luck, everybody. We suggest a Do It Yourself kit for defence.'

read more

Debating Babbage: A question of balance

by Peter Leahy - 10 February 2011 3:39PM

Former Chief of Army Peter Leahy is Director of the National Security Institute at the University of Canberra.

First, Professor Ross Babbage wanted to do an Aunty Jack on China and rip their arms off. Now, in his Kokoda Paper, Australia's Strategic Edge in 2030, we are to be the mouse that roared and engage in asymmetric operations against China, host American bases, develop long range persistent strike capabilities and acquire nuclear attack submarines.

Yes, China is growing and in 2030 Australia's security environment will be different to that of today. Yes, we need to be prepared for a range of different futures. Professor Babbage is correct when he alerts us to Chinese advances in space and cyber capabilities. We need to respond. But there is a question of balance in what Australia might be able to achieve, what we can afford, and how an aggressive approach from us might just make the future Babbage fears become a reality. 

Our relationship with China extends well beyond the security dimension and we must work to ensure that all dimensions of our relationship with China — economic, diplomatic and security — remain in balance.

Ross Babbage attributes me with implying that the challenge of the rapid rise of China's People's Liberation Army and its more assertive behaviour is an unwelcome distraction from the demands of Afghanistan, East Timor and elsewhere. In fact, in the paper he refers to, I acknowledge that Australia needs to maintain high-end military equipment to defend Australia in the event of the most dangerous but least likely eventuality. 

At the same time, we must maintain capabilities to deal with stabilisation operations in failed and failing states, which are our most likely future missions. Australia needs a balanced force to deal with a range of futures. 

The overall response and capabilities proposed by Professor Babbage do not provide the right balance. It is a force designed, in cooperation with allies, to take on China in their air and sea approaches and to strike at the Chinese mainland. Is this what we really want to do?

read more

Reader riposte: More on Babbage

by Reader riposte - 11 February 2011 3:22PM

Nigel Brock responds to our debate about Ross Babbage's new paper, Australia's Strategic Edge in 2030. Nigel previously served in the Australian Army as an Infantry SNCO:

Thus far the debate started by the 2009 Defence White Paper and continued by the recent valuable contribution from Professor Babbage has still not materially addressed the elephants in the room: how would Australia pay for this material increase in capability; & how would Australia man it?

It is difficult to imagine the Prime Minister and Treasurer proposing a 'defence levy' or deciding to blow the deficit out of the water over the next decade to meet the tens of $bn's required to fund the 10-12 advanced submarines. Moreover, with the Royal Australian Navy's well publicised existing manning shortfalls, where are the skilled men and woman going to come from to man and maintain the expanded fleet? 457 Visas? Even more assistance from the Americans?

This is a critically important debate for Australia, but those arguing for their respective views must address in detail how Australia would pay for and man these proposed capabilities.

Strategic edge or strategic fringe?

by Rory Medcalf - 15 February 2011 10:26AM

A version of this post appears on the CSIS Asia policy blog, Cogitasia

Is Canberra about to revolutionise its military to confront Beijing, alone if need be? You would be forgiven for thinking so, if you had read Australia's Strategic Edge in 2030, the startling new report from prominent defence analyst Ross Babbage.

The reality is more complex. Yes, the rise of China is markedly altering Australia's security outlook and the shape of its future defence force. But this change is not as fundamental or as single-minded as certain dramatic newspaper articles and blog posts would suggest.

Babbage's report implies that China's growing military power could one day pose a direct threat to Australia's national security, even to its democratic way of life, and that therefore Canberra needs a complete defence policy overhaul.

It also leaves the impression that senior Australian security bureaucrats are comfortable with the thrust of its recommendations. Yet former Defence Deputy Secretary Paul Dibb and others have disputed this, and no representative of the Australian Government is on record as having endorsed the report's radical conclusions.

In recent decades Australia has developed a balanced, if overstretched, military, intended to adapt to diverse contingencies. Professor Babbage calls for much of this to be jettisoned in place of rugged attack capabilities designed somehow to cripple China, were this authoritarian great power ever to use its military to coerce Australia.

read more

Babbage: What I said, what I didn't say

by Ross Babbage - 15 February 2011 2:33PM

Ross Babbage is the founder of the Kokoda Foundation.

I am grateful for the range of opinions expressed concerning my recent Strategic Edge in 2030 Kokoda Paper. My view is that the strategic environment is changing rapidly and we should debate what needs to be done. It was, of course, the primary purpose of this report to highlight the challenges ahead and encourage active discussion on how best to ensure our security in coming decades.

While encouraging the debate, let me say that I am disappointed that many commentators appear not to have actually read the report or, if they have read it, they have done so exceedingly quickly and with insufficient care. In consequence, many comments attributed to the report are simply not there and others have been reported out of context. So my first plea to everyone who is interested in this subject is to please take the time to read the report and then come to your own conclusions.

A notable case of mis-reporting concerns those who say that I argue Australia should confront China. One commentator has even implied that I am in favour of fighting China! Frankly, these comments are the products of over-fertile imaginations. The Strategic Edge report actually argues explicitly that Australia should not confront China. Rather, as stated several times in the report, the focus should be on balancing and offsetting the PLA and deterring adventurism. This is explained in some detail on p.60.

Second, a word about who has written the report. The report itself makes very clear that, as with just about all Kokoda Foundation research reports, this one was a product of a series of closed workshops involving relevant senior personnel. In the case of the Strategic Edge report, there were four closed workshops and numerous other high-level discussions. However, again as the report makes clear,  I carry sole responsibility for what is written in the report. So if anyone doesn't like what they read in the report, blame me.

Third, a number of commentators have assumed that whatever is discussed in the report is being recommended. All who have read the report closely will know that on pp.81-87 a number of high-leverage capabilities are discussed as possibilities for Australia. What appears to have eluded some is that, on p.90, it is made clear that only four of the options pass muster when assessed against the relevant selection criteria. The high-leverage capabilities taken forward into the alternative force structure options are:

read more

Crime and punishment in defence policy

by Hugh White - 18 February 2011 3:17PM

I agree with Ross Babbage about what I take to be the three most important messages in his Strategic Edge report. The first is that China's growing power is fundamentally transforming Asia's strategic order and hence Australia's strategic environment in ways that substantially increase Australia's strategic risks over the next few decades. The second is that Australia's strategic and defence policies today are quite inadequate to meet the demands this will make on us. The third is that Australia needs an open, serious, responsible debate about how we should fix them. 

But I think he is too quick to assume that China will become our enemy, and too optimistic about Australia's options if it does. Three points.

First, the report assumes there is nothing we can do to avoid an intense strategic contest with China. If China seeks a much bigger leadership role in Asia as its power grows – and I agree that it probably will – then Ross concludes that intensifying strategic competition becomes inevitable. But that depends on how big a role China seeks, and how the rest of us respond.

If China insists on trying to impose a stern hegemony over Asia, then we have no option but to resist as forcefully as necessary. But we might be able to negotiate a new order in Asia which gives China some increased influence yet still protects our vital interests. Strategic Edge overlooks this possibility. It sees no difference between negotiating with China and surrendering to it, and quite wrongly accuses people like me of advocating surrender when we advocate negotiation.

read more

Let's get our defence strategy right

by Ross Babbage - 22 February 2011 10:23AM

I welcome the continuing debate about Australia's future national security priorities triggered by the Australia's Strategic Edge in 2030 Kokoda Paper. There have been some notable contributions in the Australian and international media during the last few days.

In particular, I welcome Hugh White's contribution to The Interpreter. He makes several interesting and valuable points. There are, however, some assertions in Hugh's commentary that cannot be allowed to pass without a response. They will all be fairly obvious to those who have actually read the Strategic Edge paper, but may not be so apparent to others.

First, Hugh argues that Strategic Edge is too quick to assume that China will be our enemy. In fact, the paper never describes China as an enemy and certainly does not assume that we are destined to have that sort of relationship.

Second, Hugh says that the report assumes there is nothing we can do to avoid an intense strategic contest with China. Again, this assertion is incorrect. There is a substantial discussion about the importance of Australia lifting its game in what the report calls 'Deep Engagement' with China and other regional countries. The core goals of such efforts would be to greatly strengthen our understanding of China and other key regional countries, to deepen personal contacts with key government and other personnel in those countries and to lift Australia's diplomatic and broader political leverage in negotiations. 

Indeed, these efforts received such strong support in the closed workshops conducted as part of this project that Deep Engagement was selected to be a foundational element of all three new capability development options (ie. all options other than the status quo) that are proposed towards the end of the report.

The paper's position is that China's very rapid and sharply focused military expansion puts Australia in a difficult and most unwelcome set of circumstances. We should certainly do everything we can through diplomatic and other initiatives to avoid intense strategic competition in the Western Pacific.  However, we must also ask ourselves how successful such diplomatic manoeuvres are likely to be, given the behaviour of Beijing in recent years.

I, for one, am not prepared to bet the country's future on diplomacy alone being able to deliver a new era of peace and stability in the Western Pacific. We clearly need to reinforce our more active diplomacy with carefully tailored military options.

read more

Subordinate, accommodate or confront?

by Hugh White - 25 February 2011 10:42AM

Well, thanks to Ross Babbage for his response to my earlier post. His points help to clarify some key issues in his Strategic Edge report, but I don't think they dissolve my two principal reservations. Let me explain them in turn, and offer some thoughts about how to move this important debate further forward.

Will China become an enemy?

Strategic Edge does not describe China as an enemy, but it promotes an approach to China's growing power that makes no serious effort to avoid a sharp escalation in strategic competition, and therefore makes it much more probable that China will become one. Ross does say that we should do 'all we can' to avoid strategic competition, but he does not clearly explain what we should do. I read Strategic Edge to say that we should not do anything to accommodate China's ambitions. Instead we should insist that China continues to accept the existing US-led regional order in Asia.

This is a common enough view. Many people believe that we should engage China as long as it respects the US-led order, but refuse to accept any Chinese attempt to change that order in its favour. This approach has worked well for many years, because while China was still relatively weak, the costs and risks of confronting it would not have been very high. But China's new strength makes those costs and risks much higher in future, as Ross makes very clear. So we need to ask whether preserving the current US-led order in Asia is still worth the much higher costs which that policy now entails.

Of course, that depends on what the alternatives are. Strategic Edge seems to imply that the only alternative to American primacy in Asia is Chinese hegemony. We can all agree that Chinese hegemony would probably be very dangerous for Australia, and therefore worth the high costs of confronting China to avoid. But that leaves a vital question: are there other alternatives that would be less dangerous than either Chinese hegemony or confrontation with China? My Quarterly Essay argued that there are, and that we should explore them seriously.

read more
Lowy Institute for International Policy
Australia in the Asian Century

An Interpreter feature which ran from March to September of 2012, published to debate the Gillard Government's 'Australia in the Asian Century' White Paper, then in its research and consultation phase. Click here to see every post published in this series.

For commentary on the published White Paper, click here.

Australia's Defence Challenges

An Interpreter feature exploring Australia's defence challenges as the 2013 Defence White Paper planning process begins. Click here to see every post published in this series.

Selected Interpreter posts also appear in:

 
Business Spectator Caing online The Diplomat
 

Keep up-to-date with The Interpreter through:

iPhone App   iPhone App

RSS Feed   The Interpreter RSS Feed

Email Digest  

To receive a digest of posts from The Interpreter via email, enter your email address:

Receive a daily digest ->
Receive a weekly digest ->

Preview   |   Powered by FeedBlitz

Interpreting the Aid Review

This is the archive of a Lowy Institute blog which ran from January to April of 2011. It was published to debate the Gillard Government's independent aid review, which was then in its research and consultation phase. We offer this archive as a service to researchers and the general public.