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Debate: Hugh White's 'The China Choice'

Launch of Hugh White's book

by Sam Roggeveen - 6 August 2012 3:07PM

Sometimes book launches can be memorable for what the invited talent says about the book and the writer. Back in 2006 Paul Keating launched George Megalogenis' The Longest Decade with this:

Would I write a better book? Well, of course I would. I write better than George and I know more. But George is not me and he is not John Howard and his third party view is worth something. Is it worth the world? No. But is it worth something? Indeed, it is.

Keating was in a far more generous and serious mood this morning, praising richly Hugh White's book and quoting from it extensively (as Michael Fullilove tweeted: 'Shorter Keating on Hugh White's The China Choice: buy this book.'). Keating did not put any space between himself and White's views, as another admirer of White's work, Malcolm Turnbull, did in his review in The Monthly. This was an outright endorsement.

But Keating did emphatically put space between himself and both sides of Australian politics on the question of our alliance with America, as Dan Flitton reports in his coverage of the speech.

Over the last five years, this site has been a near-constant space for debate about Hugh White's work. His ideas inspire reactions from fellow strategists, politicians and the public in a way that no other Interpreter contributor does. So grab yourself a copy of the book, and let the discussion commence.

China Choice: The missing question

by John Blaxland - 9 August 2012 10:44AM

Dr John Blaxland is a Senior Fellow at the Strategic and Defence Studies Centre, ANU.

Hugh White's recently released book, The China Choice, is an enjoyable read, capturing much of what he has blogged about on The Interpreter over the last couple of years in relation to the US and China and taking into account a number of the comments posted in response. It goes to show that blogging is a good proving ground for a work like this!

Hugh's argument focuses on what he sees as the need for an American accommodation over the rise of China, particularly in the Western Pacific. And in many ways the argument is compelling. But early on in the book he admits that senior Americans, including Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton, have begun making overtures along the lines he advocates. This suggests his central thesis is no longer as controversial as it once would have appeared. Most would agree that this is an encouraging sign.

Hugh challenges the strategic utility of the Air-Sea Battle concept espoused recently as a military counterpoint to China's expanding military capabilities. Yet Air-Sea Battle is in effect a rebadged version of a long held American plan for the defence of Taiwan, should it ever come to that. Arguably this is not that contentious and the Chinese know it. Further, Hugh criticises the plan, but doesn't offer a viable alternative. Arguably, the maintenance of robust plans along these lines are what is needed to give the US leverage to hold the very dialogue with China that Hugh rightly encourages. As Teddy Roosevelt would say, 'speak softly but carry a big stick'.

At times I also wondered whether the audience was intended to be American or Australian, particularly given the frequent reference to inclusive terms like 'we' and 'us' alternating with outsider references to 'the Americans'. It reads some of the time like it's intended for Americans to read, but then again, perhaps the main audience is Australian.

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What is primacy, exactly?

by Hugh White - 10 August 2012 3:07PM

Many thanks to my ANU colleague Ian Hall for his post over on his own blog about my new book, The China Choice. Ian raises two concerns about the way I use the concept of primacy to characterise the place in Asia that America has enjoyed for the last forty years and at present seems determined to maintain.

First, he says that I do not define 'primacy' in the book in any precise way, and he is right. So let me try to explain here what I mean by it. As I wrote the book I was working with a definition I framed last year in response to a similar query posted here on The Interpreter by Stephan Fruehling.  The definition I offered Stephan was as follows:

A relationship between a country and an international system in which that country has a qualitatively different and greater role than any other country in the system in setting norms of behaviour, determining when those norms have been breached, and taking action to enforce them.

In fact, I had something like this in the early draft of The China Choice, but perhaps unwisely I sacrificed it to save space. Then, soon after the final text went to the publisher, I found myself re-reading The Anarchical Society for a speech on Hedley Bull I was doing at Sydney University. I came across a definition of primacy which I'm sure Ian, as one of Australia's foremost experts on Bull, will know well. It's in Chapter 9, p.214 of my edition, and Bull says:

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Does the US have regional primacy?

by Ian Hall - 14 August 2012 3:27PM

Ian Hall is a Senior Fellow in the Department of International Relations, ANU.

Hugh White is characteristically generous in responding to a blog post of mine about his use of the term 'primacy' in The China Choice. I hope he'll forgive a response and a widening of the discussion.

I agree with Hugh (and with Hedley Bull) that 'primacy' means 'preponderance in relation to a group of lesser states...achieved without any resort to force or the threat of force, and with no more than the ordinary degree of disregard for the norms of sovereignty...'

Does the US enjoy this kind of status in today's Asia Pacific? And does it aim to retain it? These questions are consequential for both Hugh's argument and for Australian foreign policy. If America does have primacy and wants to keep it, the risk of a serious clash with China is high. But if it plays a lesser role and intends to be flexible, we need not be as concerned as Hugh thinks we should.

For Hugh, the answers to these questions are 'yes' and 'probably', unless Australia can persuade the Americans otherwise. This is where, I think, we disagree.

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Yes, America has regional primacy

by Hugh White - 15 August 2012 1:23PM

Ian Hall has raised some excellent points in his latest post in our debate about whether the US exercises primacy in Asia, and what that means for how it should respond to China's rise. Five quick points in response...

First, Ian doubts that America has had the power to impose primacy on Asia. I agree. I say in The China Choice somewhere that US primacy in Asia has depended as much on Asian countries' acquiescence as on America's power to impose, which is why America only gained primacy after China acquiesced to it in 1972. And of course, that is in the nature of primacy, which is the point of Hedley Bull's definition.

Second, I therefore don't agree with Ian that the US posture in Asia is a form of offshore balancing. I take offshore balancing to be what Britain supposedly did in relation to Europe in the era in which Europe's strategic order was characterised by a balance of power system. It stood aloof from the struggle for preponderance on the continent unless or until one side or the other seemed likely to win, when it intervened to prevent that by supporting the weaker side.

I'm not sure Britain ever really did act that way, but it is a plausible model which, I suggest in the book, the US could adopt in relation to Asia. But it would be very different from what it has done these last four decades, or indeed for the last century and more. America has been intimately and continuously engaged in managing the strategic balance in Asia by suppressing strategic competition between its great powers. Nothing 'offshore' about it.

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Kurt Campbell on Oz China debate

by Sam Roggeveen - 24 August 2012 3:35PM

America's senior Asia diplomat, Kurt Campbell, made an intervention yesterday in the debate generated by Hugh White's The China Choice and the speech former Prime Minister Paul Keating made at the book launch.

Campbell deployed a familiar straw man, saying that he wanted to 'reject out of hand' that the US was in decline: 'The US is going to be a dynamic and powerful player in Asia for many decades to come.' Australian politicians are also fond of that line, as if it's some kind of killer blow to the arguments made by Keating and White. But I doubt either of them contest the simple fact that the US will remain a global power for the foreseeable future.

Campbell's more important criticism was that the power-sharing arrangement which critics like White and Keating call for is already coming into being. From Peter Hartcher's article:

He said that "no country has taken more trouble to engage with China" than the US. If anything, the US had been giving China more responsibility in global affairs than it was comfortable with. "Look at the role they play in international relations in the global economy, look at the role they play across the spectrum," he said, citing Iran, Syria, North Korea and issues of nuclear non-proliferation. "You name it, there are ample opportunities for China to play a larger role in politics."

He said that "not just the US but every country in Asia is seeking to have more space for China".

Malcolm Turnbull made a similar point yesterday during the Canberra launch of The China Choice.

China: Cold War analogies won't wash

by Raoul Heinrichs - 28 August 2012 10:33AM

In the artificially narrow categories that have long demarcated the world of Australian strategy, Hugh White and Paul Dibb are sometimes lumped closely together. As former senior officials and now professors at ANU, each has played an influential role both in designing defence self-reliance for Australia and establishing that concept as the nominal, if not always actual, basis of Canberra's defence planning.

Yet their outlooks are different. And when it comes to the growth of Chinese power, the evolution of the region's security order and the optimal means by which to preserve Asia's long peace, the two are worlds apart.

In a recent rejoinder to White's new book, The China Choice, Dibb takes issue with the prescription for accommodating China through a power-sharing arrangement akin to the post-Napoleonic European Concert. He also dismisses much of the analysis from which that prescription derives. Where White sees the likely alternative as a combustible hegemonic rivalry, prone to escalatory pressures and crises and aggravated by different calculations of interest, risk and reward, Dibb is considerably more sanguine.

That optimism seems to stem from a particular reading of the Cold War: as an episode that was both more dangerous and intense than the emergent Sino-US rivalry, but which consistently defied worst-case predictions, whether because of luck or a mutual understanding about the costs of conflict, until it reached a largely peaceful conclusion. The lessons were clear and salutary: the US had held firm in the face of a challenger, even intensifying competition as it dropped the more conciliatory aspects of détente. The Soviet Union, on the other hand, buckled under the pressure.

Having cut his teeth in that heady era, and taking the Soviet Union and its military power as his reference point, Dibb thus sees little cause for concern today. Not in China's evolving capabilities, which he maintains are over-hyped, or in its interactions with the US, whose military preponderance and strategic commitments are, he suggests, as assured as ever. This isn't an uncommon view among Cold Warriors, for whom nothing is ever likely to look as scary as the Soviet Union.

But just as Cold War notions of 'containment' don't adequately capture  the dynamics of US strategy today, there are, I think, limits to how useful  the Cold War is as an analogue and predictor of the intensity of the emerging US-China rivalry. In particular, there are two reasons to be sceptical about Dibb's optimism.

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